时间
北京时间 2004年3月30日上午10:00-12:00
演讲人
*Brendan McCarthy，Gorilla Logic首席科学家。在Sun公司工作时是公司主要的方法学家。他创立了SunTone Architecture方法学，被全世界范围的Sun项目采用。
*Stu Stern， Gorilla Logic的CEO。20多年业界经验，曾任Sun公司global Java consulting business副总裁，数学学士。
*Ed Schwarz, Gorilla Logic工程部副总裁。曾任Sun公司global e-Business consulting organization的元老，和Stu Stern共事超过20年，音乐学士。
声音记录
网盘下载(93M)：http://pan.baidu.com/share/link?shareid=71192&uk=1795750932
UMLChina早期的很多专家讲座是通过越洋电话举行，所以音质和后来的讲座相比稍差。
幻灯片
Validating Requirements with Executable Domain Models，下载：http://umlchina.com/chat/slide/GorillaLogicUMLChina.ppt
聊天记录
(09:58:09)gorillalogic8与所有人说:I'm on the conference so you should be on
(09:58:19)*leonpard与所有人说:这次讲座是中文的还是英文的？考听力的话可能很困难啊
(09:58:23)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:please talk something )
(09:58:29)*windyj与所有人说:test
(09:58:52)rannce与luoqx说:hey
(09:58:55)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:please talk something to the phone, I can not hear you )
(09:58:56)rannce与luoqx说:luo?
(09:59:51)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Jiayu
(10:00:17)luoqx与rannce说:你好
(10:00:23)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:yes
(10:00:57)*shiningxyy与所有人说:test
(10:01:31)*leonpard与所有人说:没有人认为英文是个问题吗？
(10:01:58)ysyan与[*umlchina_seminar]说:我听不到阿
(10:02:17)*峰回1与[*umlchina_seminar]说:我也听不到
(10:02:20)*anny_zgf与所有人说:我也听不到
(10:03:40)*leonpard与所有人说:真的是英文啊？晕倒
(10:03:48)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:听见吗？
(10:03:55)*shiningxyy与所有人说:yes
(10:04:35)*峰回1与所有人说:yes
(10:04:42)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:现在说话的是首席科学家bradden
(10:04:57)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:Brendan
(10:06:02)*leonpard与所有人说:你们都听懂了吗？
(10:06:17)Sella与[*umlchina_seminar]说:ppt )
(10:06:21)*leonpard与所有人说:我没听懂。
(10:06:33)Sella与[*umlchina_seminar]说:ppt address pls )
(10:07:49)*xrbeck与所有人说:啥玩意。。
(10:07:50)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina_seminar说:我没听清楚，现在说话的不知道是哪一位，他们一共是四个人
(10:07:52)baitu与所有人说:能不能说慢一点。
(10:08:07)[*umlchina_seminar]与Sella说:http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm
(10:08:25)*leonpard与所有人说:英文讲座看来还是有困难，PowerDesigner的讲座用中文比较好。
(10:08:48)*xrbeck与所有人说:听也听不懂。
(10:08:52)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/attendeeguide.htm is a help page about voice )
(10:09:22)*leonpard与所有人说:我还是专心工作吧，88
(10:09:30)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Do you want me to install the voice?
(10:09:42)luoqx与所有人说:总比我听不到强,是不是因为我在代理服务器里面
(10:09:47)Sella与所有人说:trans:problem in design phase can be traced back to requirement
((10:11:41)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Right, I haven't heard anything from your end. I'll install.
(10:11:52)Sella与[*umlchina_seminar]说:slide 5
(10:13:03)*ppbigtree与[*umlchina_seminar]说:please speak slowly.thanks.
(10:13:29)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:这些东西还是很有用的，象XP、敏捷方法等等的目的也就是为了迅速验证需求，迅速反馈
(10:14:04)Sella与[*umlchina_seminar]说:slide6
(10:14:21)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:语速已经放慢了
(10:15:15)flybean_zhou与所有人说:where is the ppt?
(10:15:32)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina_seminar说:http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm 下载幻灯 )
(10:16:41)Sella与[*umlchina_seminar]说:p7
(10:17:08)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Jiayu, I didn't see the voice set up popup window when I logged in.
(10:18:01)Sella与[*umlchina_seminar]说:p8
(10:18:02)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:install this one: http://www.bliao.com/help/Blueskye.exe
(10:18:13)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Thx
(10:18:30)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:http://www.umlchina.com/Chat/download.htm 下载幻灯
(10:19:31)Sella与[*umlchina_seminar]说:p9
(10:20:39)Sella与[*umlchina_seminar]说:p10
(10:21:24)Sella与所有人说:p11
(10:23:37)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Jiayu , I'm unsuccessful in setting up the voice. How is brendan's speaking speed?
(10:23:41)Sella与所有人说:p12
(10:24:10)Sella与所有人说:p13
(10:24:56)Sella与所有人说:p14
(10:25:16)Sella与所有人说:Sample screen
(10:25:26)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:his speed is perfect )
(10:25:41)Sella与所有人说:p15
(10:25:45)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Good.
(10:26:09)Sella与所有人说:Grilla's simple idea
(10:26:14)Sella与所有人说:p16
(10:27:20)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Should we pause for questions at this point?
(10:27:29)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:no, no )
(10:27:34)*rui0354与所有人说:yea
(10:28:34)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina_seminar说:I mean if they have few question, you four can talk more to )
(10:28:48)Sella与所有人说:p17
(10:28:55)gorillalogic8与所有人说:rui0354, Let me know if you have a question in case Brendan can't hear you.
(10:29:23)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:lead their question out )
(10:30:03)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:maybe need to said "any question? any question? " many times )
(10:30:11)*rui0354与所有人说:sorry,pass me !have some trouble
(10:30:17)gorillalogic8与所有人说:OK
(10:30:38)*rui0354与所有人说:I can't open the voice
(10:30:52)[*umlchina_seminar]与*rui0354说:anything I can help you? )
(10:31:00)[*umlchina_seminar]与*rui0354说:右下脚 )
(10:31:23)*rui0354与所有人说:提示“
(10:31:35)Sella与所有人说:p18
(10:31:39)*rui0354与所有人说:打开语音”，但是打不开
(10:32:13)[*umlchina_seminar]与*rui0354说:你是不是打开了3721之类的？http://www.bliao.com/gg/ga2.htm，http://www.bliao.com/help/Bluesky.exe )
(10:32:33)*rui0354与所有人说:好了
(10:32:42)[*umlchina_seminar]与*rui0354说:OK )
(10:33:37)[*umlchina_seminar]与所有人说:大家可以准备一下问题
(10:36:04)Sella与[*umlchina_seminar]说:Excuse me,could you tell us how the GCLs are put on the model? by hand or by the tool?
(10:36:19)Sella与[*umlchina_seminar]说:p20
(10:37:35)Sella与[*umlchina_seminar]说:thanks
(10:37:51)*rui0354与所有人说:Excuse me,could you tell us how the GCLs are put on the model? by hand or by the tool?
(10:37:58)*rui0354与所有人说:please
(10:38:39)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Hello Rui0354, is this a new question?
(10:39:21)*rui0354与所有人说:sorry，no
(10:39:42)rannce与所有人说:hey. which page now?
(10:39:46)Sella与所有人说:p21
(10:41:00)Sella与所有人说:p23
(10:42:13)Sella与所有人说:p24
(10:42:21)*shiningxyy与所有人说:what's the matter?
(10:43:32)*shiningxyy与所有人说:test
(10:43:57)gorillalogic8与所有人说:shiningxyy, is there a problem with the audio?
(10:44:28)*lijinie与所有人说:voice is very clearer today than before,excellent!
(10:44:38)*shiningxyy与所有人说:it'ok now.
(10:44:49)gorillalogic8与所有人说:good. thank you.
(10:45:04)*shiningxyy与所有人说:is there anybody speaking now?
(10:45:06)Sella与所有人说:That is to say, it's done by the trigger?
(10:45:42)ymin681与所有人说:i just can't here.anybody can help?
(10:46:18)*shiningxyy与所有人说:a question:Will UML be a programming Language?
(10:46:36)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Sella, let me know if this answers your question
(10:46:58)Sella与gorillalogic8说:yes thank you very much :)
(10:47:53)*rui0354与所有人说:which page now?
(10:48:01)rannce与所有人说:p24
(10:49:36)*shiningxyy与gorillalogic8说:how is the software development life cycle with the support of GorillaLogic tool?
(10:52:01)Sella与gorillalogic8说:Do you put the same emphasis on both the collaboration diagram and --
(10:52:06)Sella与gorillalogic8说:the sequence diagram in your tool
(10:52:33)Sella与gorillalogic8说:yes!
(10:52:41)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Good questions, thanks!
(10:53:25)ysyan与gorillalogic8说:you mean，the analyst collects the business requirements and draw the domain modals,
(10:54:02)ysyan与gorillalogic8说:then by your engine,automatically create the executable program?
(10:54:11)*shiningxyy与gorillalogic8说:thanks
(10:54:14)Sella与gorillalogic8说:oh...thanks
(10:56:55)Sella与所有人说:p25
(10:57:53)Sella与所有人说:p26
(10:58:29)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Jiayu, How are we on time?
(10:59:09)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:by the plan we should finish it an hour later )
(10:59:10)Sella与所有人说:p27 now
(10:59:26)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:but all are up to you )
(10:59:55)gorillalogic8与所有人说:That will work for us. No need to rush.
(11:01:06)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:good )
(11:01:10)Sella与所有人说:p29
(11:02:24)Sella与所有人说:p30 now
(11:02:54)Sella与所有人说:31
(11:04:21)mlp与所有人说:test
(11:05:23)rannce与所有人说:A detail question: As an e-business website, we often need fetch data from partners,
(11:05:35)rannce与所有人说:e.g. Affiliate Program. Would Gorilla support it? How?
(11:05:43)Sella与所有人说:p33
(11:10:30)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Any questions?
(11:10:41)rannce与gorillalogic8说:A detail question: As an e-business website, we often need fetch data from partners,
(11:10:45)rannce与gorillalogic8说:e.g. Affiliate Program. Would Gorilla support it? How?
(11:10:56)Sella与gorillalogic8说:Excuse me,if the business logic is very complex, the GCLs will be very complex too?
(11:11:10)*shiningxyy与gorillalogic8说:Can you please tell me whether and how GorillaLogic can use in Agile development?
(11:12:26)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina_seminar说:大家把麦克风音量调到最低，谢谢
(11:13:11)radysjx与所有人说:hello, all
(11:13:42)Sella与gorillalogic8说:really? hehe
(11:14:36)*shiningxyy与gorillalogic8说:yes
(11:16:09)Sella与gorillalogic8说:excuse me, some more words,if we have already caught the business logics expressed in GCLs, --
(11:16:42)Sella与gorillalogic8说:Gorilla will complete the rest?
(11:16:50)*shiningxyy与gorillalogic8说:thanks,
(11:17:41)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Sure thing, shiningxyy
(11:17:51)Sella与gorillalogic8说:sorry,it should be Domain models+GCLs
(11:18:43)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Sella, let me know if brendan answered your questions
(11:19:21)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Any more questions for brendan?
(11:19:29)*magicvase与所有人说:呵呵
(11:19:33)Sella与gorillalogic8说:thank you, I'm just wondering how you can get the works done by your Product
(11:20:01)Sella与gorillalogic8说:this is not a question :)
(11:20:22)*shiningxyy与gorillalogic8说:there is another question,Can GXE be applied in making embedded software?thanks
(11:20:23)gorillalogic8与所有人说:oops sorry
(11:20:41)gorillalogic8与所有人说:good question.
(11:21:10)*rui0354与所有人说:good
(11:21:15)*rui0354与所有人说:good tool
(11:22:15)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Thank you. We like to hear that
(11:23:11)*rui0354与所有人说:how much to buy a license
(11:23:33)*shiningxyy与gorillalogic8说:thanks.
(11:24:00)radysjx与MICHAEL说:hi
(11:24:10)*rui0354与所有人说:300$?
(11:24:18)Sella与gorillalogic8说:in a few 100 USD?
(11:24:38)gorillalogic8与所有人说:probably in the $300 to 500 area.
(11:24:50)gorillalogic8与所有人说:more questions ?
(11:24:53)*shiningxyy与gorillalogic8说:yes,Can you compare existing UML tools? from gorillal's view.
(11:25:20)gorillalogic8与所有人说:MDA tools or just modeling tools?
(11:26:07)radysjx与MICHAEL说:how do you think about together?
(11:27:37)*shiningxyy与gorillalogic8说:UML modeling tools,I think
(11:27:46)gorillalogic8与所有人说:ok
(11:28:43)Sella与gorillalogic8说:Do you have any method to validate the domain models? if there is, how?
(11:28:49)*rui0354与所有人说:which UML modeling tools are more compatible with your product?
(11:29:37)gorillalogic8与所有人说:At the moment Poseidon and MagicDraw. In the next week IBM/Rational XDE
(11:30:16)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Both poseidon and magicdraw offers free versions that work with our product
(11:30:32)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Together support is on the horizon
(11:31:20)radysjx与所有人说:how to make UML to integrate with Jbuilder9
(11:31:41)*waltzor与所有人说:when i give a sequence diagram, can the gxe generate all the code?
(11:32:37)*waltzor与gorillalogic8说:and which language can it support?
(11:32:38)radysjx与所有人说:I mean, we need to change the design when or after code
(11:35:07)Sella与gorillalogic8说:I see, OK,thanks :)
(11:40:40)*wwwangzhihang与所有人说:请问用例驱动方法现在的主要缺陷是什么？
(11:41:16)*wwwangzhihang与gorillalogic8说:what is the mail shortage of use case-driven method?
(11:42:13)*wwwangzhihang与gorillalogic8说:what is the main limitation of use case-driven method
(11:44:09)*wwwangzhihang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:what is the main limitation of use case-driven method ?
(11:44:16)*wwwangzhihang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:thank u
(11:44:44)gorillalogic8与所有人说:your welcome
(11:44:56)*wwwangzhihang与gorillalogic8说:you r welcome
(11:45:39)*wwwangzhihang与gorillalogic8说:would u like to answer my question?
(11:45:55)gorillalogic8与所有人说:did that answer it?
(11:46:12)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina_seminar说:大家请问问题
(11:46:28)*waltzor与gorillalogic8说:Thanks for your answer.
(11:46:35)*wwwangzhihang与gorillalogic8说:what is the main limitation of use case-driven method ?
(11:47:16)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:Thank you )
(11:47:42)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:leave a email to us? )
(11:47:49)gorillalogic8与所有人说:Absolutely, please direct anyquestions to me.
(11:47:57)gorillalogic8与所有人说:mmoffatt@gorillalogic.com
(11:48:03)gorillalogic8与所有人说:thank you all.
(11:48:17)[*umlchina_seminar]与gorillalogic8说:Thank you very much!
(11:48:27)*wwwangzhihang与gorillalogic8说:what is the main limitation of use case-driven method ?
(11:48:29)Sella与gorillalogic8说:Thank you very very much to introduce muct to us
(11:48:56)gorillalogic8与所有人说:You are very welcome. good questions.
(11:49:11)gorillalogic8与所有人说:wwwangzhilhang, I'll forward you question to brendan.
(11:49:24)gorillalogic8与所有人说:would you like to leave me your email address?
(11:49:26)Sella与gorillalogic8说:hehe you have great idea! thank you again
(11:49:52)gorillalogic8与所有人说:When you have a chance to try the product, let us know how you like it.
(11:50:01)*shiningxyy与gorillalogic8说:yes. thank you very much! wish we could talk again.
(11:50:08)gorillalogic8与所有人说:we like to hear your feedback
(11:50:29)*shiningxyy与gorillalogic8说:thanks
(11:50:32)radysjx与所有人说:thks all
(11:50:36)*wwwangzhihang与gorillalogic8说:thanks very much
(11:51:06)radysjx与所有人说:the course is very good to me, it would help me on my project
(11:51:07)*wwwangzhihang与[*umlchina_seminar]说:能不能将今天的录下来下载？
(11:51:10)delson与所有人说:Thanks a lot,to GL, and umlchina
(11:51:21)[*umlchina_seminar]与*umlchina_seminar说:录音会上载的
